Nudge (Quintin Frerichs)
See this tweet for a nice summary!
#Notes on their tech in Q&A format (mainly outside reading)
- Why use neural tech at all instead of medicine?
- Here's the main case for it:
- Better precision. When you take pill (SSRI or painkiller), molecules circulate your whole body and affect many systems at once. Hence side effects like weight gain or sexual dysfunction. With neural tech you aim at specific circuits millimeters in size.
- Tunability (personalization) and reversability. You can tweak parameters in real time, as opposed to waiting for the body to metabolize it.
- Counterfactual utility. (Like AI finetuning / traditional approaches vs. interp lol). Tweaking neurotransmitteres (serotonin, dopamine) can be powerful but blunt. With neural tech you can only turn it on for specific tasks and have closed-loop control: stimulate only when abnormal brain activity appears.
- Safety and addiction. For neural tech the main risks are just overstimulation or off-target effects, which are easier to monitor and usually reversible.
- What are these "circuits" we're targeting?
- Groups of brain regions that are physically connected and usually activate together to produce a function/behavior.
- Regions contain hippocampus, amygdyla, thalamus.
- The connectors (axons) connect them.
- We care about circuits because many psychiatric and neurological problems are due to misbehaving circuits:
- Depression is often linkd to overactive connections between the amygdala (emotion hub) and prefrontal cortex (thinking/regulation).
- Addiction is often linked to the nucleus accumbens (reward center) and its loop with the prefrontal cortex + midbrain dopamine areas.
- Circuits already studied with ultrasound!
- Thalamus–cortex circuit: affects arousal and attention. Ultrasound here made healthy people less alert for a short time.
- Nucleus accumbens loop: linked to craving and reward learning. Stimulating here reduced opioid cravings in some patients.
- Anterior cingulate circuit: tied to pain perception. Ultrasound here reduced how unpleasant chronic pain felt in a blinded trial.
- Motor circuit (cerebellum/basal ganglia ↔ cortex): relevant in tremor; low-power ultrasound reduced tremor severity.
- So how do we actually "target" a circuit?
To target a specific node, you aim the beam (phased arrays) that's calculated with skull models (which distort the beam). Deliver the pulse train tuned to bias the excitability, and then the MRI and behavioral readouts show if the circuit actually responded. Tune for each person
- What does the ultrasound actually do to neurons?
It pushes on the membranes that opens certain ion channels. Letting ions in nudges excitability, and effectively neurons near the focus shit their likelihood of firing. That shift propagates and effects the whole circuit.
- How safe is ultrasound-based modulation, really? If it can have a clear positive effect can't it have a clear negative effect too? (And are effects reversible?)
- Actually tFUS (transcranial focused ultrasound) appears safe and actually reversible when you stay in the current dose limits.
- If you leave the safe window the 2 main failure modes are: (1) thermal (skull/tissue heating), (2) mechanical (opening up the blood-brain barrier). But neuromodulation protocols stay far far below these areas.
#Messy first read-through notes
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So use ultrasound over TMS? (Also what is TMS?)
Non-invasive (without a surgical implant) brain stimulation over the past 5 years has already demonstrated the capacity to change people's lives for the better. Magnetic stimulation, namely an optimized protocol of rTMS first developed at Stanford, has shown ~80% efficacy in a randomized-controlled trial at treating intractable forms of depression during only a week of intensive treatment. There are reports of the treatment being transformative for many who participate, a true "before and after" moment. Ultrasound is starting to show the signs of a similar inflection point: we're seeing results of a single, under 30 minute treatment that can enable those addicted to opiates (and who have tried many other forms of standard treatment) to stop using for a month or more. From an article on the first results of the study, patients are reporting long-term effects. While we still need to see how results hold up in a fully randomized, controlled trial, it's an exciting first look at what may be to come:
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Oh he answers this next!
There are many ways to interface with the brain, both invasively and non-invasively, but very few are truly safe, scalable, and have compelling use cases. The primary physical ways to interface with the brain are optically (using light to either measure the properties of or affect a neuron's state), magnetically (as mentioned above), electrically (with brain implants like the current brain-computer interfaces used in patients with movement disorders), and acoustically (imaging and stimulating through sound or ultrasound). Optical approaches are limited by the depth light can penetrate into the brain to either implants or surface level brain imaging, potent electrical interfacing requires implantation, and magnetic approaches, while non-invasive, can't be miniaturized and used to target deep brain regions due to physical constraints on the focusing of magnetic fields. Only ultrasound has the overlapping advantages of being incredibly safe on the body (there are decades of research on using low-intensity ultrasound to image fetuses in the womb), can be focused using beamforming to target deep brain regions of millimeters in size, can be used for structural and functional brain imaging, and has hardware that can be miniaturized and scaled without needing an implant.
- (by the way what do we mean by "truly safe"?)
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He links a lot of trials that show promise, but these are not Nudge's research as far as I can tell.
On the imaging side, I'm excited for brain interfaces that create motifs for communication that are only enabled by understanding circuit-level activity — revolutions in computing happen when the medium creates new gestures for interfacing, rather than just speeding up old ones.